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52 Weeks Discussion > Day 3 Thoughts - Genesis 7-9

Figured I'd make an observation on the author's take on what happened with Noah and why he cursed Canaan, Ham's son. I can appreciate what he has to say regarding his opinion of what Ham did ("done" - verse 24 of chapter 9) to Noah. The author takes the position that Ham sodomized his father. What I want to point out is that the Scriptures do not say that - ANYWHERE! That is an assumption on the author's part. Could it have happened? I guess so. But again, the Scriptures never say that. If that had happened, I can only assume that the Scriptures would have mentioned it in some way. In other places, the Scriptures certainly mention the topic of homosexual relations. Genesis 19:5 tells of the incident in Sodom when the inhabitants wanted to have sexual relations with the Angels (whom they thought were men). Without getting into "gory detail" (as the Bible study author says), there's no doubt that a homosexual act is what the men of Sodom wanted to do. "And they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally." Again, there's no doubt as to what the men of Sodom meant to do, and it wasn't presented in "gory detail." The topic of homosexuality is also mentioned in Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-28; 1 Timothy 1:10; and Jude 1:7. Surely, if the incident took place as the author believes, Moses (through the Holy Spirit's inspiration) could have found a palatable way in which to describe the event so that it wouldn't be left to conjecture.

Genesis 9:21-23 tells of the incident and simply mentions that Ham saw Noah's nakedness and basically made fun of his father to his brothers. While in our culture today, that may not seem like a big deal, in the culture of the time, modesty was serious business. As a result, Noah placed a curse on Canaan, the descendant of Ham. That's all the Scripture mentions regarding the incident, and I'd rather go with what I know for certain the Scripture says than jump to a conclusion based on speculation. Those are my thoughts. Do any of you have thoughts?

March 2, 2019 | Unregistered CommenterPastor Ken

Toward the end of the commentary for todays lesson we see reference to four covenants the first being in Gen 9 that was part of todays study. Because covenants have been on our mind in Sunday School study of the Millennium--thought I might add a little tidbit.

The covenant we see with Noah, his seed and every living creature which he afterwards categorizes into four groups really Man. the foul, the cattle, wild beasts, and he tells us they came out of the ARC. First we see that there is a sign (or seal) placed on this covenant (the rainbow) which is also seen on other of the covenants God made with man. For example the Mosaic Covenant at Saini was the sign of the weekly Sabbath Exod 31:16-17. The Abrahamic Covenant sealed with the sign of Circumcision Gen 17:11, Romans 4:9-12.
The rainbow of Gen 9:8-17 is particularly interesting when we look at the bigger picture and notice it is seen with similaraties in two other places in the Bible. What is most interesting to me is where it is seen in the two other places. The first is in Ezekiel chapter 1 where the prophet is given a vision into heaven where he describes the wheel. Ezekiel's description of the colors, rain, lightning and we see the faces of four living creatures which match the description of those we saw in Gen 9. The next Description by John we see is in Revelation 4:3-9. Notice the same description of the rainbow and the same four beasts as we saw in the previous two descriptions. Man, the foul, the cattle, and wild beasts. God spoke of the rainbow as if Noah and his family were failure wit it---I suppose it may have existed prior to the flood but it does provoke a lot of thought. The rainbow reminds me of God's faithfulness and grace and that we should not fret and worry. This also assures me that God is in control of everything and that these things He is doing are important enough that he has even preserved them in Heaven.

I just love how Gods word is so easy to understand but so much depth we will never totally reach the extent of it. This is just another small example as well of a known principal. In the mouth of two or three witnesses every word maybe established. Matt:18:16

March 6, 2019 | Unregistered CommenterSteve Arthur

Interesting that you bring up the rainbow. We know Satan as the great counterfeiter. Isn't it interesting that in recent years, there has been a group of people - opposed to God and pretty much everything He stands for - and they've appropriated the rainbow as their identification symbol.

March 6, 2019 | Unregistered CommenterPastor Ken

Pastor Ken,

Unfortunately, I know where the use of the rainbow as the symbol for that movement came from. Though it IS taken far and away from Biblical context, the movement started in the "Rainbow Isles", or Hawaii. Queen Liliokalani, when faced with the takeover of her nation, brought forth that she would relinquish her throne if all of her people received equal treatment. The United States government of that time agreed and made concessions for the "mahoo", or gays of Hawaii. That concession turned into what has transpired since and the use of the rainbow as the symbol for that movement.

March 10, 2019 | Unregistered CommenterThea

That is very interesting, Thea. I didn't know that that's how the use of the rainbow symbol started for that particular movement. Good to know! Thanks!

March 11, 2019 | Unregistered CommenterPastor Ken